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Larry,

I am currently out of the office and cannot support you well at the moment. I will be back home at the weekend. Meanwhile please turn on the debug log and send it to me. Please make sure to exclude passwords and user accounts if present. Also attach the wsdl file.

Last but not least please send the call stack to me when the program is active and in error state. "WSDL2R98_U" is not precise enough. All it tells me is that the error occured in an UnMarshaller procedure. If you like you can start the debugger and try to debug the UnMarshaller procedure on yourself.

Regards,

Thomas.

>
>Thomas - I haven't worked on this program for a while and am just getting
>back to it now.  It appears to be that I connect to the webservice - I know
>this because the purpose of the webservice is to make a telephone call, and
>the call is being made - but NotifyPhoneBasicResult is blank.  I got the
>following in my job log:
>
>Message . . . . :   Length or start position is out of range for the string
>  operation.
>Cause . . . . . :   One of the following has occurred in RPG procedure
>  WSDL2R98_U in program WSDL2RPG/WSDL2RPGRT:
>  - A numeric length or start position is less than 1 or too large for the
>    string operation.
>  - The search-argument parameter of the %SCAN built-in function has zero
>    length or is longer than the source-string parameter.
>  - The maximum-length parameter of the %STR built-in function is not a
>value
>    between 1 and the maximum size of a character field.
>Recovery  . . . :   Contact the person responsible for program maintenance
>to
>  determine the cause of the problem.
>
>
>
>Any ideas?  Thanks!
>
>Larry Kleinman
>Kleinman Associates, Inc.
>212-949-6469
>203-255-4100
>
>
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>Larry,
>
>tns:NotifyPhoneBasic uses messages tns:NotifyPhoneBasicSoapIn and
>tns:NotifyPhoneBasicSoapOut.
>
>The parameter of tns:NotifyPhoneBasicSoapIn is tns:NotifyPhoneBasic which
>is a complex element made of several string elements. Each of these sub
>elements are defined with maxOccurs set to 1. Hence these elements are no
>arrays and no DIM_A* constant is generated.
>
>The parameter of tns:NotifyPhoneBasicSoapOut is
>tns:NotifyPhoneBasicResponse. That element contains sub element
>NotifyPhoneBasicResult of type tns:NotifyReturn which contains sub element
>VariableArray. VariableArray is of type tns:ArrayOfVariable. That is the
>point where we hit the array! tns:ArrayOfVariable contains element Variable
>of type tns:Variable and is defined with maxOccurs "unbounded"!
>tns:Variable is just a key/value pair and does specify "unbounded".
>
>So the only array used in NotifyPhoneBasic is Variable, used by
>ArrayOfVariable, used by VariableArray, etc.
>
>That is why there is only one DIM_A* namely DIM_A1.
>
>When I generate and compile the program with the default settings, the size
>of tns_notifyPhoneBasicResponse_t is 34040 byte. After having changed
>DIM_A1 from 128 to 32 the new size of tns_notifyPhoneBasicResponse_t
>dropped to 9080. It is up to you to decide which string size and number of
>elements to use.
>
>The _t variables are used as type definitions. All real variables are
>declared using 'like' or 'likeds' and a _t type definition as the reference
>field. You find all _t type definitions in the generated stub module. E.g:
>
> *
>D tns_NotifyPhoneBasicResponse_t...
>D                 DS                  based(pDummy)
>D                                     qualified
>D  NotifyPhoneBasicResult...
>D                                     likeds(tns_NotifyReturnRnmd_t)
> *
>D tns_NotifyReturnRnmd_t...
>D                 DS                  based(pDummy)
>D                                     qualified
>D  CallAnswered                   N
>D  CallComplete                   N
>D  Country                     128A   varying
>D  Demo                           N
>D  DigitsPressed               128A   varying
>D  Duration                     10I 0
>D  EndTime                        Z
>D  MachineDetection...
>D                              128A   varying
>D  MinuteRate                   31S15
>D  QueueID                      20I 0
>D  ResponseCode                 10I 0
>D  ResponseText                128A   varying
>D  StartTime                      Z
>D  TextToSay                   128A   varying
>D  TryCount                     10I 0
>D  VariableArray                      likeds(tns_ArrayOfVariable_t)
>
>Please notice that 'NotifyPhoneBasicResult' if defined as
>'tns_NotifyReturnRnmd_t'.
>
>In your programs you have to include the generated stub module as a copy
>book and set a compiler condition prior to that. Let us assume that the
>name of the stub module is PHONE. The your program have to include PHONE as
>shown below to get the prototype and type definitions:
>
>/define prototype_phone
>/copy PHONE
>
>Hope that helps.
>
>Thomas.
>
>
>ftpapi-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx schrieb am 16.03.2009 15:03:06:
>
>>
>> Thomas - I appreciate the help so far, and apologize for my ignorance,
>but I
>> am having a hard time understanding what you suggest.  (All of this is
>very
>> new to me.)   I only see one DIM_A in the generated code - it is DIM_A1
>for
>> 128 bytes - not one for each array.  Also, you suggest that I try to
>change
>> the _t type definition for that one variable, but I don't know where to
>find
>> it or what to change.
>>
>> If this is of any help to you, the URL of the WSDL that I am using is
>> http://ws.cdyne.com/NotifyWS/PhoneNotify.asmx?wsdl
>>
>> the operation that I am using is
>> tns:NotifyPhoneBasic()
>>
>> and the variable that I want to be really big is
>> TextToSay
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry Kleinman
>> Kleinman Associates, Inc.
>> 212-949-6469
>> 203-255-4100
>>
>>
>>
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>>                                        Re: using WSDL2PRG
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>>              03/16/2009 07:06
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>>              AM
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>>
>>
>> The DIM parameter specifies the default array dimension of array elements
>> that have "maxOccurs" set to "unbounded". Sample:
>>
>>    <xs:element name="person" maxOccurs="unbounded">
>>
>> WSDL2RPG generates a DIM_A* constant for each array it encounters. You
>can
>> change that constant to any value you like except for 0. The problem is
>to
>> find the right balance between the length of strings and the number of
>> array elements. Usually programmers want both values sets to "unlimited"
>> which unfortunately is not possible in RPG. With V6 we are close to
>> "unlimited" because IBM increased the length of strings to 16MB. On the
>> other hand it may not be a good idea to declare each and every string as
>> 16MB, isn't it?
>>
>> Thomas.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Thomas - what does the DIM parm do?  Can i make that smaller to avoid
>> > hitting the 64K limit?
>> >
>> > Larry Kleinman
>> > Kleinman Associates, Inc.
>> > 212-949-6469
>> > 203-255-4100
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> >              Thomas Raddatz
>>
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>> >              03/14/2009 06:30
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>> >
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Scott,
>> >
>> > You are absolutely right. There is nothing I could add except for that
>> you
>> > can change the default
>> > length for strings at the WSDL2RPG command prompt. Press F9 to see the
>> > additional parameters STRLEN
>> > and DIM. If you do that that new default length is assigned to all
>> strings
>> > and you may hit the RPG
>> > barrier of 64k. Due to the limitations of RPG the result data structure
>> > generated by WSDL2RPG can not
>> > exceed 64k.
>> >
>> > The other option you have is to change the *_t type definition only for
>> that
>> > specific variable. If
>> > that also does not work you have to have to get into the generated code
>> and
>> > replace the variable by a
>> > pointer and manually allocate storage and copy the value to that
>pointer.
>> > Larry, let me know if you
>> > hit that problem and I will try to figure out how to do that.
>> >
>> > Thomas.
>> >
>> >
>> > Scott Klement schrieb:
>> > > My understanding (and it may be wrong) is that WSDL documents don't
>> > > usually tell you the size of the string.  They simply say "data type
>is
>> > > String".
>> > >
>> > > In many languages, that's a non-issue.  Java, PHP, C#, etc all let
>you
>> > > declare a string, and don't ask you for a size.  they dynamically
>> update
>> > > the size as needed.  Thus, the standards being the way they are.
>> > >
>> > > But, when Thomas created WSDL2RPG, he had to pick a number, since RPG
>> > > requires it.  He picked 128, figuring it would be large enough for
>most
>> > > of the strings used in web services, without being too big (and thus
>> > > risking hitting RPG's memory limits).  He figured you could easily go
>> in
>> > > and change that 128 to something larger if you needed to.
>> > >
>> > > At least, that's my understanding.  I probably shouldn't speak for
>him,
>> > > but I think he told me that at one point :)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Larry Kleinman wrote:
>> > >>    Hi all - I am just getting started with WSDL2RPG and my first few
>> > >>    simple attempts seem to work OK. I have now run into a problem -
>> one
>> > >>    of the fields that the web service expects can be very long (a
>few
>> > >>    thousand characters), but the "stub" created by WSDL2RPG is
>defined
>> as
>> > >>    128A varying. Can I just change this to a bigger number in the 2
>> > >>    places it is defined, or is there more to it? (Where did the 128
>> come
>> > >>    from in the first place?)
>> > >>    Larry Kleinman
>> > >>    Kleinman Associates, Inc.
>> > >>    212-949-6469
>> > >>    203-255-4100
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
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>   Thomas - I haven't worked on this program for a while and am just
>   getting back to it now. It appears to be that I connect to the
>   webservice - I know this because the purpose of the webservice is to
>   make a telephone call, and the call is being made - but
>   NotifyPhoneBasicResult is blank. I got the following in my job log:
>   Message . . . . : Length or start position is out of range for the
>   string
>   operation.
>   Cause . . . . . : One of the following has occurred in RPG procedure
>   WSDL2R98_U in program WSDL2RPG/WSDL2RPGRT:
>   - A numeric length or start position is less than 1 or too large for
>   the
>   string operation.
>   - The search-argument parameter of the %SCAN built-in function has
>   zero
>   length or is longer than the source-string parameter.
>   - The maximum-length parameter of the %STR built-in function is not a
>   value
>   between 1 and the maximum size of a character field.
>   Recovery . . . : Contact the person responsible for program
>   maintenance to
>   determine the cause of the problem.
>   Any ideas? Thanks!
>   Larry Kleinman
>   Kleinman Associates, Inc.
>   212-949-6469
>   203-255-4100
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>   Re: using WSDL2PRG
>
>   Larry,
>   tns:NotifyPhoneBasic uses messages tns:NotifyPhoneBasicSoapIn and
>   tns:NotifyPhoneBasicSoapOut.
>   The parameter of tns:NotifyPhoneBasicSoapIn is tns:NotifyPhoneBasic
>   which
>   is a complex element made of several string elements. Each of these
>   sub
>   elements are defined with maxOccurs set to 1. Hence these elements are
>   no
>   arrays and no DIM_A* constant is generated.
>   The parameter of tns:NotifyPhoneBasicSoapOut is
>   tns:NotifyPhoneBasicResponse. That element contains sub element
>   NotifyPhoneBasicResult of type tns:NotifyReturn which contains sub
>   element
>   VariableArray. VariableArray is of type tns:ArrayOfVariable. That is
>   the
>   point where we hit the array! tns:ArrayOfVariable contains element
>   Variable
>   of type tns:Variable and is defined with maxOccurs "unbounded"!
>   tns:Variable is just a key/value pair and does specify "unbounded".
>   So the only array used in NotifyPhoneBasic is Variable, used by
>   ArrayOfVariable, used by VariableArray, etc.
>   That is why there is only one DIM_A* namely DIM_A1.
>   When I generate and compile the program with the default settings, the
>   size
>   of tns_notifyPhoneBasicResponse_t is 34040 byte. After having changed
>   DIM_A1 from 128 to 32 the new size of tns_notifyPhoneBasicResponse_t
>   dropped to 9080. It is up to you to decide which string size and
>   number of
>   elements to use.
>   The _t variables are used as type definitions. All real variables are
>   declared using 'like' or 'likeds' and a _t type definition as the
>   reference
>   field. You find all _t type definitions in the generated stub module.
>   E.g:
>   *
>   D tns_NotifyPhoneBasicResponse_t...
>   D                 DS                  based(pDummy)
>   D                                     qualified
>   D  NotifyPhoneBasicResult...
>   D                                     likeds(tns_NotifyReturnRnmd_t)
>   *
>   D tns_NotifyReturnRnmd_t...
>   D                 DS                  based(pDummy)
>   D                                     qualified
>   D  CallAnswered                   N
>   D  CallComplete                   N
>   D  Country                     128A   varying
>   D  Demo                           N
>   D  DigitsPressed               128A   varying
>   D  Duration                     10I 0
>   D  EndTime                        Z
>   D  MachineDetection...
>   D                              128A   varying
>   D  MinuteRate                   31S15
>   D  QueueID                      20I 0
>   D  ResponseCode                 10I 0
>   D  ResponseText                128A   varying
>   D  StartTime                      Z
>   D  TextToSay                   128A   varying
>   D  TryCount                     10I 0
>   D  VariableArray                      likeds(tns_ArrayOfVariable_t)
>   Please notice that 'NotifyPhoneBasicResult' if defined as
>   'tns_NotifyReturnRnmd_t'.
>   In your programs you have to include the generated stub module as a
>   copy
>   book and set a compiler condition prior to that. Let us assume that
>   the
>   name of the stub module is PHONE. The your program have to include
>   PHONE as
>   shown below to get the prototype and type definitions:
>   /define prototype_phone
>   /copy PHONE
>   Hope that helps.
>   Thomas.
>   ftpapi-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx schrieb am 16.03.2009 15:03:06:
>   >
>   > Thomas - I appreciate the help so far, and apologize for my
>   ignorance,
>   but I
>   > am having a hard time understanding what you suggest.  (All of this
>   is
>   very
>   > new to me.)   I only see one DIM_A in the generated code - it is
>   DIM_A1
>   for
>   > 128 bytes - not one for each array.  Also, you suggest that I try to
>   change
>   > the _t type definition for that one variable, but I don't know where
>   to
>   find
>   > it or what to change.
>   >
>   > If this is of any help to you, the URL of the WSDL that I am using
>   is
>   > [1]http://ws.cdyne.com/NotifyWS/PhoneNotify.asmx?wsdl
>   >
>   > the operation that I am using is
>   > tns:NotifyPhoneBasic()
>   >
>   > and the variable that I want to be really big is
>   > TextToSay
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > Larry Kleinman
>   > Kleinman Associates, Inc.
>   > 212-949-6469
>   > 203-255-4100
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >              thomas.raddatz@gf
>   >              d.de
>   >              Sent by:
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>   >
>   Subject
>   >                                        Re: using WSDL2PRG
>   >              03/16/2009 07:06
>   >              AM
>   >
>   >
>   >              Please respond to
>   >                 HTTPAPI and
>   >               FTPAPI Projects
>   >              <ftpapi@xxxxxxxxx
>   >               ttklement.com>
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > The DIM parameter specifies the default array dimension of array
>   elements
>   > that have "maxOccurs" set to "unbounded". Sample:
>   >
>   >    <xs:element name="person" maxOccurs="unbounded">
>   >
>   > WSDL2RPG generates a DIM_A* constant for each array it encounters.
>   You
>   can
>   > change that constant to any value you like except for 0. The problem
>   is
>   to
>   > find the right balance between the length of strings and the number
>   of
>   > array elements. Usually programmers want both values sets to
>   "unlimited"
>   > which unfortunately is not possible in RPG. With V6 we are close to
>   > "unlimited" because IBM increased the length of strings to 16MB. On
>   the
>   > other hand it may not be a good idea to declare each and every
>   string as
>   > 16MB, isn't it?
>   >
>   > Thomas.
>   >
>   >
>   > >
>   > > Thomas - what does the DIM parm do?  Can i make that smaller to
>   avoid
>   > > hitting the 64K limit?
>   > >
>   > > Larry Kleinman
>   > > Kleinman Associates, Inc.
>   > > 212-949-6469
>   > > 203-255-4100
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   >
>   > >              Thomas Raddatz
>   >
>   > >              <thomas.raddatz@t
>   >
>   > >              ools400.de>
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>   >
>   > >
>   > Subject
>   > >                                        Re: using WSDL2PRG
>   >
>   > >              03/14/2009 06:30
>   >
>   > >              AM
>   >
>   > >
>   >
>   > >
>   >
>   > >              Please respond to
>   >
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>   >
>   > >
>   >
>   > >
>   >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Scott,
>   > >
>   > > You are absolutely right. There is nothing I could add except for
>   that
>   > you
>   > > can change the default
>   > > length for strings at the WSDL2RPG command prompt. Press F9 to see
>   the
>   > > additional parameters STRLEN
>   > > and DIM. If you do that that new default length is assigned to all
>   > strings
>   > > and you may hit the RPG
>   > > barrier of 64k. Due to the limitations of RPG the result data
>   structure
>   > > generated by WSDL2RPG can not
>   > > exceed 64k.
>   > >
>   > > The other option you have is to change the *_t type definition
>   only for
>   > that
>   > > specific variable. If
>   > > that also does not work you have to have to get into the generated
>   code
>   > and
>   > > replace the variable by a
>   > > pointer and manually allocate storage and copy the value to that
>   pointer.
>   > > Larry, let me know if you
>   > > hit that problem and I will try to figure out how to do that.
>   > >
>   > > Thomas.
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Scott Klement schrieb:
>   > > > My understanding (and it may be wrong) is that WSDL documents
>   don't
>   > > > usually tell you the size of the string.  They simply say "data
>   type
>   is
>   > > > String".
>   > > >
>   > > > In many languages, that's a non-issue.  Java, PHP, C#, etc all
>   let
>   you
>   > > > declare a string, and don't ask you for a size.  they
>   dynamically
>   > update
>   > > > the size as needed.  Thus, the standards being the way they are.
>   > > >
>   > > > But, when Thomas created WSDL2RPG, he had to pick a number,
>   since RPG
>   > > > requires it.  He picked 128, figuring it would be large enough
>   for
>   most
>   > > > of the strings used in web services, without being too big (and
>   thus
>   > > > risking hitting RPG's memory limits).  He figured you could
>   easily go
>   > in
>   > > > and change that 128 to something larger if you needed to.
>   > > >
>   > > > At least, that's my understanding.  I probably shouldn't speak
>   for
>   him,
>   > > > but I think he told me that at one point :)
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > > Larry Kleinman wrote:
>   > > >>    Hi all - I am just getting started with WSDL2RPG and my
>   first few
>   > > >>    simple attempts seem to work OK. I have now run into a
>   problem -
>   > one
>   > > >>    of the fields that the web service expects can be very long
>   (a
>   few
>   > > >>    thousand characters), but the "stub" created by WSDL2RPG is
>   defined
>   > as
>   > > >>    128A varying. Can I just change this to a bigger number in
>   the 2
>   > > >>    places it is defined, or is there more to it? (Where did the
>   128
>   > come
>   > > >>    from in the first place?)
>   > > >>    Larry Kleinman
>   > > >>    Kleinman Associates, Inc.
>   > > >>    212-949-6469
>   > > >>    203-255-4100
>   > > >>
>   > > >>
>   > > >>
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